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Fri, 6th Jan. 2006, 15:30
Brains are interesting squishy things

More random linkage, ranging from the fascinating to the somewhat disturbing, both from Wired (so apply appropriate amounts of salt to the reporting)...

Firstly the tale of a man's quest to be able to appreciate Ravel's Bolero again after receiving a computerised cochlear implant. What's interesting is the amount that hacking the software capabilities of the device changes things so much, and the plasticity of the brain in learning to make sense of the new stimulus provided. It's also interesting that this tends in the direction of adding hardware to the brain, and providing access to novel senses that weren't previously possible, which has some interesting implications in terms of how people might change in the future, but also what it means to consider yourself a 'normal human' - how much of your brain function can you replace or augment technologically before you start to be considered as no longer 'human' in some sense. After all, we accept happily that people with glasses and normal hearing aids are perfectly human. Artificial limbs don't seem to cause us to judge people as less human - but the thought experiment of gradually replacing bits of brain with, say, silicon chips, providing identical functionality does lead to interesting questions as to whether there's a point where some threshold is crossed and it's no longer a 'proper' brain but just a 'mere computer' :) (This is explored in rather more fun detail in one of the thought experiments in The Mind's I, which I'd heartily recommend to anyone entertained by this kind of idea.)

Secondly, Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging being used to detect deception. This is using brain scanners to determine the brain activity that takes place when people are being deceptive - giving something like a 'super lie detector' - and claiming to offer vastly better accuracy than polygraphs and the like, which are notoriously unreliable. This is full on thought police stuff, as it's about what people are thinking (or how they're thinking it) rather than about what they're saying per-se. There are already companies looking to commercialise this, and plans afoot for a remotely deployable version of this that can do the reading at a distance, without the subject's consent. One of the companies commercialising it hints at it being a more socially acceptable alternative to torture. What fun.

On a more personal note, I'm still ill. Have had a rather more successful visit to the doctors who now reckon it's not Gastroenteritis, but probably Giardia instead, which does fit all my lovely symptoms all too well. A nice round of tests for me now to work out if that's what it is, and maybe I'll see the end of this finally - it's only been nearly 2 months of feeling ghastly every day now....

Fri, 6th Jan. 2006 16:04 (UTC)
[info]megashrike

I was quite interested by the article regarding the deaf man,I think it's quite fascinating how people are learning that we can basically 'reprogram' the brain quite easily to accept new input.

Opens up a wide range of possibilities for repairing damaged bodies, people that have lost arms etc

Sat, 7th Jan. 2006 18:56 (UTC)
[info]samoth

I think the really interesting prospect here is that this points at the brain being plastic enough to cope with *new* inputs. I know that similar experiments have been done with computerised vision systems stimulating electrodes placed on the tongue I believe - what's interesting there is it's not using an area of brain normally used for vision, but apparently it's still possible for people to receive a limited form of vision that way.

This does give the possibility of inputs for senses that we *don't* have at present...

Sat, 7th Jan. 2006 18:58 (UTC)
[info]megashrike

*nods* add on top stem cell research etc and the possibilities of an enhanced human within the next 50 years is quite attainable, I doubt it'll be long before we start seeing computer equipment that can be built into humans (next 20 years possibly).

What an age to live in.

Sat, 7th Jan. 2006 19:01 (UTC)
[info]samoth

You just have to watch out that you don't turn into Kevin Warwick :)

Sat, 7th Jan. 2006 19:03 (UTC)
[info]megashrike

"I have a RFID chip and I'm not afraid to use it!"

Sat, 7th Jan. 2006 00:04 (UTC)
[info]sliding_loopz

I think it's quite fascinating how people are learning that we can basically 'reprogram' the brain quite easily to accept new input.

thing with this guy in the article though - how much relearning has actually happened? as he could hear before going deaf, he obviously has a memory as well as preconcieved ideas about how things ought to sound. anyone who has been deaf from birth and then much later in life given one has to learn a hell of a lot more! the brain is a reprogrammable organ, even with or without the technology. but still, the article does make a good point about how much information can be transmitted by the implant compared to how much a hearing persons ear can deal with at any one time.

like sam says about adding hardware to the brain has somewhat been done already with elpilepsy patients that do not respond overly well to drugs. it's only a temporary measure mind, where they are connected to portable computers which detect and record siezure like activity in the brain as well as carry out electrical stimulation. also there is vegus nerve stimulation going on too. (it's a bit like a pacemaker device that is connected up to the nerve and it sends out a constant signal or can be turned on/off to suit, which in turn reduces the severness of a fit.)
but that bit has just distracted slightly from the main point, but it still shows that brain control from external hardware devices is going on but not just in learning.

all this mad technology is out and about - but it's all still too new to be able to piece everything together.
there's loads of this "scifi" type stuff that is currently being looked at!

eugh! could go on all night. damn you sam for posting stuff up about brains music and hearing! just a few of my favorite things. :) hehe

Sat, 7th Jan. 2006 19:01 (UTC)
[info]megashrike

That's the thing though, the guy heard odd noise at first before his brain adjusted, and it wouldn't sound the same as it had before (he acknowledges this in his story), but his brain reprogrammed itself to understand the input like he had originally heard, but in a different format :)

Sat, 7th Jan. 2006 15:35 (UTC)
[info]anti_girl

wasn't aware you had been ill :( poor thing.
get well soon.

MissAnthropy xxx

Sat, 7th Jan. 2006 18:20 (UTC)
[info]deathboy

What's so desirable about being human, when we could be more?

I know that sounds cliché, but there's this ingrained idea that to no longer be human is bad. We're meant to move forward, this might be one way how.

Sat, 7th Jan. 2006 18:52 (UTC)
[info]samoth

Oh absolutely - my comments were more aimed towards the idea that there's something 'special' about the actually squishy stuff we're made up of, and that if you replace it with some other stuff (silicon or whatever), then even if it fulfills all the same functions, then it's somehow missing the essential 'magic' that makes people people, and not machines.

I personally don't see any problem with the idea that we're (stupendously complex and fascinating) machines, so have no issues with the idea of bolting new bits on. I thought this was an interesting example of it in action. I'm sure there will be more.